07-08-08 Ken Rosenthal, FoxSports Baseball Insider

Well joining us now on the eighteenth tee hotline from fox sports is Ken Rosenthal I can't hide and Kenny Rosenthal always great document. You you kind of -- Saturday where sabathia was going in wind didn't.

I can't -- I knew dale but certainly Milwaukee was O -- a club out the moment they offer or. And on Friday island in the they'll order -- at that point it became a situation where another team have to top that. Difficult would it. We're talking about a kid it was a numbers seventh in the country overall last year and more than justified that it was warming just keep. So the doctors were in there and Dodgers I understand. With a one it could have perhaps top that offered up this early it was. One player her little portable with the report where tactic that might have been better than what they ultimately. Got from the brewers but the same time the Dodgers have been a team that goes it goes out. It's hot it's -- so. I ever really expected them to UT even when I was right there and it I was thinking and they always do this. Well partially written by the way and will write that. But the brewers were leaders and they had the biggest motivation in some respects because of this situation. Which is a little bit urgent concern achieve the free agent -- going to start to make money they want to win now and there was.

What -- you know how it is here in the northeast corridor is all about us so how close were the Yankees. And Red Sox two making a deal or making an offer for CC sabathia.

If there was close both were in the discussion. And then the inning basically told both teams what they want. From the Yankees it was a popular and it top pitcher prospect why. I interpreted that he's still -- Austin Jackson used of course we knew he would. -- Jackson's double a outfielder that actually I'm honored as well thought out. The Red Sox you guys know the name Michael Bolton get -- back group and in some combinations that would have been required and you do these cases like to do that for rental player that conceivably -- could possibly signed as a free agent. Don't know the Red Sox although they -- the Yankees certainly.

Well you just mentioned. Rental player and CC sabathia in the same sentence so if he's a rental player where does he really want to go in your opinion.

Where he gets the best deal and there's been a lot of talk that is preferences the west coast he from the west coast. And Dodgers needed another reason they could have and should have made deal simply get a guy. In they're mixed and then have the inside track he was the right negotiation. Through the end of October. He certainly can't that there certainly end up. From other teams out there but frankly it's going to be -- unit is six times when he fixed on five whatever it.

Any had kind of an interesting dilemma I think for march a pyro. Deal him now because Milwaukee really wanted him to make two starts before the all star break at home and and get fifteen start -- that starts out of him instead of ten. Or wait closer to the trading deadline and get a bidding war going did chip -- play this properly.

my opinion immediate and keep in mind the one other factor keep the guy or that he can get our. If you get hurt you -- not so the idea of selling at a time you get back on the start at a is -- very you know especially with a pitcher because. The risk of injury always any pitcher is there it's not something you think about everyday but he can happen. So I liked what he did he did get bidding war going and don't way. And I don't know that it would have been any more -- at the deadline and was in early July.

Well that's the big trade sabathia to the brewers. Where is Mark Teixeira going and is there another trade on the horizon that we're not talking about.

Right out shares not going anywhere and keep in -- guys. The Braves have game five every never been sellers they're not going to become sellers. They're not playing at a division -- at at a powerhouse club before that just this weekend it was well before that and they're reputed every. Chance he Pete to be seen -- isn't close to it started the year. Remembered that gave up an awful lot but Chara there's not going to get it pack it back. Now he's rental player so this is not going to be a decision on them easily and if it happens. My expectation would be it would happen right. So when he asked which is the big name next to be traded. Certainly going to feel out of action on Horton and Burnett would be -- feel a portrait all the teams -- the it is extremely. Whether he trade partner and is being questioned he's going to want a lot partners signed for next year at a reasonable price. And UK game you'd take injured -- that I always seem to be right back. So he won AJ Burnett another. I'm surprised there hasn't been more interest Adam Dunn just yet and it certainly guy Ortiz doesn't recover that's one part of ordered the Red Sox. It got its power on power decline in Major League. Seems to me that he should be getting more action.

You know if if I was looking at the Red Sox and Yankees and trying to figure out the biggest difference between them it might be best. The Yankees are taken a power arm closer. And attempting to convert into the rotation because they desperately need starting pitching. The Red Sox are taking a young kid who's done a very good job in the rotation. Shipman and -- Pawtucket to make email it to make in a middle inning relief pitcher because -- that deep in the rotation.

Great point I well. Because masters in racially wasn't in by the Red Sox could be kept a tight incredible. He still might -- yet even though -- show it pretty effective starting pitcher. You've really hit all Woody -- don't start it's been very impressed. But this does give them an additional weapon out of -- ball and it does awhile and at least try and reach a solution. Forgoing the trade market where given it our ability of relievers you or never know quite what you get it. We saw that last year with Gagne the brewers experienced that would Scott Linebrink. It is very difficult thing -- know for sure that you're getting quality player there with a hitter I think if you get Mark Teixeira -- the guys. All ten guys as -- last year Gagne. So this is a really good bridge to. That deadline period where they have to go get inaudible but perhaps it's even better at bat practices yeah.

Peter Gammons who we all love reported on Sunday night baseball on ESP and that the Red Sox have had internal discussions about Barry Bonds. How many teams do you think you had internal discussions about bonds and do you expect him to play this year.

I would say virtually every team had internal pressure upon. And having an internal discussion and actually pursuing a player a true different thing. The best guess is that you'll. In my opinion no owner's points what you and it looked at -- the fact that he can't produce Corsican partners. It doesn't even have to do with the fact that he used. Well allegedly used -- in drugs because certain number of players these formative drugs or individually right now. What is it that. Is considered the face of the steroid year. And if you want guys who was under federal indictment. And because of that change just archrival it's a lot to take up the character question. The distraction legal issues which would probably not affect defeated. Certainly affect people's perception of the that's not streaky all very few are --

We did the -- yesterday looking at the Red Sox season so far. And we came up with what we perceived to be their normal lineup normal batting order you know with -- Ortiz at DH and Manny in left and all that stuff. And out of the 91 games going in the last night's action. We did the math and found out that the Red Sox had their regular lineup available to them twelve times out of the 91 games. Is this glass half empty or half full here.

Asphalt but quickly -- camp and see if Ortiz doesn't recover. The way that they ish and wrist injury as we know with hitters we in the private and again be very problematic. So there is important because apparently it's on the field and its record time. Without experiencing well. That didn't happen -- might just not be the same David Ortiz. But what they show is an ability to which and the -- Ortiz or were sustained stretch and can figure that felt different way. Many of the DH that all world defensive outfielder felt very -- injury. And the lasting impact it has to be might be. That each show that they don't necessarily need to exercise at least -- option. We feel all along the red is if you break up Manny and Ortiz you're breaking up the essence of the I don't I do not believe that that is still. It looks like now people -- if you replaced many days. Jason today or some other right handed hitting outfielder -- but -- pretty good. You still have a very potent all of and with at 29 you can use in other ways there earn double -- they go to that to me is the lasting impact of what's going on here. It -- literally expect to see what they do -- the option. If he continues find that the client. And they're going to have a --

We were just having that exact discussion an hour or so ago Michaels in the camp of don't pick up the option. It's been great but thank you very much we'll see all down the down the road. I'm of the camp because of the way it's set up the you don't have to pick up both years. It's a year a year type thing I would pick it up it sounds like you're in Michael's on Michael side on this.

It's I told him up a market to be a -- on what time is what I've.

And are more weight finish and I understand were dealt -- probably act. Bill's position is -- common position at old now on one year deal at high. Annual value. Is generally don't aren't the only ones you deal. And Manny or anybody eightieth overpay for one year but allotment the other side it is. If he is -- in it -- finally tired of all the ancillary thing.

There you go there you go.

They have and they haven't gotten that point yet clearly and you make them now it's going to be performance based not going to be acre base. If this were the behavior issues we would've been gone long ago but if they see enough -- Make them believe okay there was little bit of a drop -- this year that -- drop off last year -- double next year. Well then you make that hard decision and at this point they'll probably that we.

Gain when the performance drops off Kenny you're allowed to take the moral high ground there then got out at -- Yet at that point you say well you there is there a combination of things we just feel like we -- different direction. But when he didn't when he didn't you know 315 and 320 in his on bases approach and 450 you --

The other 35 homers a year is -- different deal and that's been the case that then that was the case in San Francisco on its really the case and every team. A player -- army guy -- don't Cleveland the only back. That's sport that's life and people put up with things but once the performance dropped off different story.

No we're just are about this can dale and dale and I we're talking about. How how how difficult do you think it is to find a guy who can give you 25 to thirty homers and drive and a hundred runs.

It more difficult as they aged. You're really testing has gone on now but for the Red Sox certainly it's possible and they do a number of different -- for it. If you regret. And you want to work off the trait that it is much -- like very first you do that in the you do that nobody had. If you bring your that you want -- He is that kind of guy probably will be a better. The sparse as statistic that's one Jason Bay would be another. Eight and eighty electric got perhaps all and it goes corner outfielders are. I certainly is -- but not impossible.

Something happens and Tampa bay Stubbs -- tell what's it going to be.

The ball and that's your right yup out of it other yet there's no question to be any rate the bullpen. There offence happened or the level they were like just yet but Percival is senseless I. I hate saying that because of what I'm coming back. I love seeing him in Iraq those guys where he uses it offensively yet in the -- is quite. On the DL now he would probably going to be on the DL one or two more times before -- that's -- 81 days or something like that even more -- factory in. The Yankees it'll all of interest. If they have -- it's for a -- LP what is that is not healthy he quote but ultimate. It's admirable JP Howell on -- pain all of the other relievers at Mueller. Miller by -- he'd better to be opposed he's.

I'm sure -- Bud Selig will hear a lot of complaints after the all star game. Baseball writers like you can always find something -- it to complain about after the all star game but let's complained before the all star game.

Do you think about Augusta -- ball that was the managers ball -- they used to bother pitchers. Yeah that's -- oh yeah.

It was now do you are do you have a problem with all star game selections and obviously the reason I'm asking a few things. One there always deserving players left off in two. Jason Varitek of the guy who who probably tell you don't deserve to make it this year but he's going to the all star game with a sub 220 --

Right and that's why -- kind of popularity contest which is what it is fans and the players. In the about going to have these situations -- in America -- It's a lifetime achievement Award and I don't have much problem. There's not a great catcher in the American he kept it. They take it three the only net and not take it is AJ Pierzynski who is a legitimate all start and obviously double to go to -- whatever it now captured the world -- idol thing but. He also ranked highly in the -- is about to sell. Pretty tough to say all the stupid system because Jason Eric. Perfect we know that the 32 and vote for help in that regard but. For the most part it's. Pretty much the players that you want and can always quibble -- always find guys that should be on the that are on there. I don't particularly -- like four bloody if you do that it is for the managers. Everyone else to sort through it the end because I -- my best and or players I don't know what else have any input. Like it was perceived the thirty if you bet. The acknowledgment of the every team must be represented. Evan Longoria should be there capital should be there at those guys are advised fans to vote for this man. And with injuries you'll also these other guys you know on the should be. He going to be this weekend. We -- going to be in New York City Rockies at bat and initially note not all that excited about this matchup but. That capped a model that the -- out and won three of sport utility. And Iraqis are going to Munich team simply implement what might happen is that.

And you get Pedro right. The only reason to be there.

A decade that -- guys. But one of the best games -- best finish position there's an advocate general -- the reds -- about that was.

It was good in sort of way I'm -- the way we liked it I guess you're you're actually right can we appreciate time as always we'll talk to you next week. I guarantee it. Ken Rosenthal has been brought to you by AT&T with more bars in more places switched to the wireless network with the best global coverage eighteenth city. Or world delivered