The Pacman Jones Debate

bring this up only because I heard we talked about it last week in and and Pete got very upset about it which is good because he's got a good that you know he's got his opinion on that. Everybody's got their opinion I'm -- but I heard I heard I heard Michael today. And and Phil Burton. One of like nine million Burton brothers talking about this is well my whole pac man. -- Joe situation there whether you bring him to the patriots and and I must sit here try to defend any of pac man Jones. This behavior and what does not -- Emmanuel little -- he sounds to me he really sounds to me like a by the ways it -- his agent kind of by the way today kind of backed off -- little upset about the rumors that were out there we started while he probably did. -- I know he did I'll probably just. -- they just started out because Detroit set there a set amount of one managers didn't back when -- none on his agent starters on his line there's no question from the bottom. It would not surprise me at all although Pete if the patriots were showing interest impact the angels -- is terrific football -- now is he -- Is he does he have floods easier this year is is he a thug you could say almost finished yeah I would probably agree that all those things exist. But what has pac man Jones. To this point what is even prosecuted for what is even found no care. We may you don't I don't care delegation throughout thinking delegate now for me in my business violent team allegations are enough to me a --

Okay that would give it limited disruption and of at least a -- a strategy -- how much did your local I'm going to give irrational I know the relatives I didn't which ago would you bring this guy yeah. Okay about fourteen arrest. Okay in going to give you what they are intent to sell crack cocaine domestic abuse. Destructing a police officer -- by the way three times. Resisting arrest twice assault five times criminal trespass wants malicious mischief twice. Reckless endangerment twice. A D a Y driving with a suspended license and again assaulting his wife. -- short rest would you bring him in. Huard patriots had a really important is -- you would be I know the Russian women -- you -- about -- somebody else doesn't all the reps and I -- the nationals asked I went through his good buddy Cory Jones Randy Moss and that's Corey -- you know Shay given and I can't bring Randy here's the difference I want to tell you the difference the difference is that the cut that this commissioner. Has a total different set a moral code for the National Football League the last guy did I tell you -- But bill -- check. Would not face the same breath from the previous commissioner. As he says he settled with this commission he would not like the old days we did everything we want it doesn't that's correct because a I I think the last commissioner believed even though we sent -- memos on the that there were a lot of people that were there were breaking those rules but that's Corey -- rap -- But let me give -- another one -- one another one and I -- a set of anyone and and I -- thirty days went on on assault -- trading by the way back -- Jones is not a time in jail correct. -- it's not like I don't know thirty days in in in in jail on on assault charge. A positive marijuana test while in jail so that added sixty days -- his sentence they don't goalies and the president. At some unbelievable and -- wind charged with domestic battery after an altercation with the mother of his -- children. I charged I said charged mean I. And then 2002 on assault on a not police officer.

I know would you rate of person. But obviously brought Randy Moss and that's right and just leveling the and you're reading a script here but connect tonight Joe take a step back yes. Corey Dillon. Wouldn't win was his last transgression for the pats and I believe three years before they brought them. My my point being that that there was at least some evidence that he was turning the corner and we had the thing with the angles would take in the fair offer I don't -- and that was going to. Pac man Jones is is is still the forefront of his what is done right now I don't have the rap sheet in front of you obviously what did you don't.

normally wouldn't let you hold on you don't need the rap sheet and I took no. We know that Michael Vick right now I know in jail -- those who might strike club -- know that one at the -- more than that what. Can anybody answer the question what do you -- Michael Vick is in jail right now because Michael Vick. Pleaded guilty. Okay 2 this dog fighting gets of that and actually killing these dogs correct me okay what is pac man Jones been found guilty. Wearing gold teeth yes guilty as charged load when you're going to affect us do we want -- isn't me so I'm Jonathan. They gave up publicity surrounding pac -- Jones because the president commissioner of the National Football League decided he was going to suspend him. Is the reason that people walk around say that when Joe should never -- you know like I'm asking everybody what is it can call late. What easy guilty up. Body the paper went what does it openly backed up 12 yeah because you -- and then I don't think you rolling I don't say that I said she'll plug another type of guy I want to know what they're I think why not give anything. That's correct he's not so what's so why would turn around them. Because he's a well I -- we should situations prince there's but what is even charged oh okay -- I -- I checked in this country. Pete you get -- you get to go before not the majority don't appear really dark going to -- and that's the problem why and that's why aren't exactly why you're coming out of right but why commissioner so I don't know how many -- say the shooter was a lot of pressure that did not since they did did not qualifying. All of the New England Patriots or take away draft pick in bringing -- so why were those injustices was back when Jones hasn't filed a lawsuit -- one. Why for what. -- being kept -- only four year forty hasn't been charged with any big -- yesterday -- be -- this company doesn't like your conduct -- you don't have to be guilty they can say you -- you're not going to work here right now. They do that that's illegal and I just got to go down the court. You can't take -- double agenda I think our right to do that -- right to you're not representing given the proper -- that's color. That is correct I can't tell you know that's I don't know Washington Campbell -- not to say that again I ask that I can't tell us guilty of violating LS I rushed -- has that -- has done -- that's been found guilty what does it done. By the way nice sound so why I didn't tell me why -- how much. Thomas money is as Rodrigo cost pac man Jones one point 29 million so why not why -- that money back usually ought to play has been given -- anything you know what I told you this at the time and I senate. I thought the commissioner of -- huge mistake. When he suspended back -- Jones because he did not wait until pac man Jones. Had his case heard it before before before a juror no I -- I agree would you be so why I think this commission and I. I think wrongdoing just -- and I also think it's a reason that he came down so part of the patriots three and a Bill Belichick -- Dallas off. Woody was -- players what he was door whereas the pac man Jones filed a lawsuit that in any kind. You don't European bottom while yes you do -- about Ramirez really don't and you were talking at a regularly I don't new threads and I get their money back a very big 'cause guys he's like I did it because they have a clause in the contract that allows the NFL to do -- That's why can't win in the court Glenn might want to stand that you are edited -- you don't. Can -- ask a question him and why isn't anybody that's true and why don't have a dossier in front and gave me -- while talking to knock is -- but got men. -- such a or wrong thing and we already know what everybody knows what would you just smash I was around he did what -- Allegations about evolved -- hornish and say he shot everybody on different -- some buddies hanging around gang -- as he sat around allegedly hitting -- all allegations allegedly hitting went in the face and that's why hasn't been what the plan illegal break I hold up let's let's let's well seconds I don't know what he's. Let me go back to what -- platform it I'm not. My record and I value what you're I am not but I I think what's talent just enjoy every manager all the way -- wanted to do a good job. -- Did you at the same reaction when that women when that woman. I tried filed charges against Randy Moss you last month what we what was -- months ago we don't know. We don't know how would you react like okay we don't so you don't know so why would you -- that myself the same those same little kids -- astonishing too much but seeing too much they call me out there playing my opinion glad that the guys and they bagged me -- argue just going to play every never happy results opened the assault charges -- Lynn Jones have been -- yeah. But the best thing that happened when he lost zero and they haven't dropped yeah I'm not particularly but don't -- It's not fair I almost saying kill what's true or not I don't care what it's not fair what we're doing -- such a great guy and shot -- I got a -- I know.

I know we do -- are good I don't I don't deficit mice so he's not like I put guys -- probably I'm Josh I'm not and there's like Ohio but how was it any different -- wish I didn't live audience Corey Dillon -- he or worse like once. I would prove what this is not.

Her away like buck said it seemed it appears at least the other two guys -- kinda turn a corner a little bit. A little -- this guy isn't -- all this crap going on auto -- I don't I don't know -- I don't know -- with -- series so -- do we know Randy Lewis missed almost that you two months ago. Isn't with a woman how -- we know that we don't. We don't -- so why why are you willing to give Brady moss the benefit of the doubt pac man Jones at a similar situation. -- He does have a rap sheet. But he hasn't been any. --

I'll give you that the whole rap -- July 13 2005 going to be -- wrestler charged with assault and felony vandalism to say you have to like a club altercation okay hold on. Hold on. After a criminal investigation the chargers were dropped September 5 2005. This is a ridiculous point invited to attend a national sports council kick off like luncheon. Apparently Jones would -- a verbal tirade while being told to wait first car after the event. I guess you could say a lot of -- usual gonna exactly Agassi -- don't know are wrong from right Romo call and then and then they he got they got upset wrote a big story about it in the paper because he reportedly refuse to get. The valet service. Larry Byrd through letters and yeah. Why in October 2005 -- to 23 2006 excuse me charged with marijuana possession. In Fayetteville Georgia what was that Corey Dillon which charged with the intent. To sell crack cocaine. This guy was charged with marijuana but what is what is your take on marijuana possession. Purses and intent to sell crack cocaine I think I can not in favor of the marijuana -- over that -- man I don't. -- A lot of advice -- how bad -- had a black man now what I did now do. Buddy buddy but I tell you what. He's got a personality that this is everybody off because after that charge he went out and boasted to everybody that he knew how to beat the NFL's drug test. That's what pissed everybody off. August 25. 2006 arrested for disorderly conduct public intoxication after being ordered by police to -- nightclub several times. Jones claimed a woman stole his wallet. The woman claimed the Jones spat owner. The judge in the case gave Jones six months so what you're talking about. Probation told them to stay away from the club guess what would happen and charges were then dismissed. But lack of know what -- in call did you go with -- with Allen and I'm going to get to that aren't that was -- don't know why don't care prison sentence in college yes Jones was issued in October 26 2000 insects. Jones was issued a citation for misdemeanor assault. After a female student Tennessee State University. Claimed that Jones spit in her face and he Nashville nightclub. -- February 19 2007. The facts are disputed no charges have been may not -- The judge and underestimate Jones was in the middle of a fight. And shooting at a strip club in Las Vegas that left one man paralyzed and two more won't it. One man paralyzed -- more noted he was in the strip club with this fight and shooting took place let's remember Ray Lewis was in a similar situation. This shop at the weekend of the NBA all star game your bar Ray -- is happening in -- well I'm not give the -- of the Super Bowl. And if you remember two people were killed in that situation and yet Ray Lewis Ray Lewis charges were dropped against Ray Lewis if you remember. -- the fight broke out after Jones showered strippers on stage with 81000 dollars. Okay so he's got -- she's got some issues he's here auditing and watches I wouldn't say he's gimmick when he sounds Dominica finding me and -- and -- and he is not a -- yeah. Oh I'm sure it's solid shape immature or not I'm not saying Joe Joe DiMaggio but if you go through. And start doing Google searches and find out the rap sheets on NFL players you're going to find block that there are guys -- have done just as much or a lot more.

Now OC don't want -- got back here and I just stayed in college at a bar after charges were dropped -- his weekly ticket on your -- when I was planning on charges were not Akron and we only -- like. Charged were not dropped on the college fight he was well hold on I'll give it -- fight got one -- hears the -- are now.

The club owner claims to Jones what this the club owner now he claimed. The Jones was beating a strippers head against the bar while claiming to kill one of the club's employees okay now that's what he claims. That's what people have read out there yet just -- The judge sentenced Jones to probation charge it's a misdemeanor. You sorry you don't start assigned somebody to probation and charger with a misdemeanor. If you're taking extra percent. Banging it against the bar and claiming to kill one of the club's employees it doesn't happen so another words to the criminal a massive lack of evidence and it's our best -- right it did not happen now let's get to the woman you know what I bringing -- I didn't. When we get a politician is talking about right now -- Matt Jones was sentenced to one year imprisoned. Free bar fight a bar fight in Morgantown, West Virginia while in college that sentence was later suspended. Okay now I'm short so.

I tell you what. I -- way so I -- participant to participate in this program. Always told me they have been indoors bar fights. -- is probably bar fights what are -- is gonna command that probably our fights over the years of they had a myriad of one.

All saying is the guy is got there's no question that isn't that that's a fun when you look at the -- J league rafter he's got he's got issues. But when you compare him. To the other guys in the league the only thing that stands -- is that this commission or a new commissioner. Decided that he was going to make an example of a guy like this. And he was going to -- is suspended and therefore we have a much different perspective up -- made no question then Pete does over Randy Moss. More or or Iraq Corey -- school -- whoever is second -- Actually when she was Glenn what are your perspectives of the young like -- my personality and I haven't I want to spend land went way to land ORP once second. You applaud the commissioner for taking these steps what do you IRT -- you can imagine it was wrong for doing it. Because I don't think think you can sit here. On based on allegations I don't think you can do it based on the fact that somebody is arrested -- doesn't mean they're guilty. The difference when Michael Vick and I heard Phil Burton earlier say well I think what pat -- Jones done is a lot worse than Michael that the difference is he's been Michael Vick has been convicted us. A cat he's a Fallon yes they can they don't work and radio now -- I don't know why you're so worked up about this some how worked up I'm just always relative by the way. Fine he's fine. This has got nothing to do what those I have no idea of the page he's a --

Brings us please what -- honestly glad that's I don't want to sleep -- NFL. -- It's just -- does like suddenly amateur once like adding there no I don't want to look at the web what is it what is our look at why he's certainly -- in drab -- keeps saying that. -- I loved it I loved it why don't we still. I -- of Corey Dillon you want -- doesn't alarm me a lot of money pac man Jones I hate him I love Corey Dillon are making now I'm Roy I don't know what. I don't want and I thought not a hundred no he's not making of I'm Monica won -- all now. It's -- I am you know it's just what just hit a plate you just hate the player I just dislike somebody and alright let them that's okay you know world that's okay WW inconsistent. I don't have as -- in your damn sport I like him pure hypocrite doesn't. --

focusing on the rap sheet if a fan and by the way that -- anybody they want I tickle libertarian view through these things buyer beware. You go to I'm with you tell getting I don't know I feel how well I think consists of -- exactly -- always moral high -- people -- that. So I would but I don't like general John -- I'll rely on but what did you -- The issue of -- is he great -- diseases if you are not in jail for. They'll have a right to Warrick. So the thing UTQ not rebound -- out of Baltimore I'm not saying that -- I'm saying your follies and just it gonna get pac man Jones last year why is why isn't working my -- were right way. I'm glad I don't really really does not wearing a lot of second I agree with Pete Wagner Pete. Pete our media number are -- fan has a right. Tip till like or dislike a player the reasons that have nothing to do what logic big can be hypocrites -- consistently stripped if he doesn't like your eyes is one.

Is that since then -- I I agree with everything you've just -- you're saying you're you're -- Corey -- rap -- okay isn't agree it's exactly a lot of I grant you just tell -- write a fight that I. I don't mean like if I like I don't know the trade I don't know I mean hypocrite. -- He's got the right to being the hypocrite yeah not a hypocrite puts us all you -- get rid of all I guess our fans are asking Corey Dillon came -- and has been a model citizen. We great. Our guys -- yes -- smartly written -- comes error and by and large been models of what they -- model citizens before -- run I think let's -- attacks on its -- that's become a reality check the Monday it was almost -- this -- I think chemistry and -- Novell executives that he didn't say -- he's not -- to -- becoming the team the patriot way of we want to call that is getting these guys on the straight narrow in line to play football right.

By and large those two sorts of just couldn't get to be asking you -- do you think Adam pac man Jones. Comes here and is on the street I don't know whether he -- or not but what I would -- was I would take additional I would take that now wait a minute I would say it again absolutely. Because -- 1 yeah. Sort of a fly ball club or another so this game the rest. There's no rest. He's going to get a first round draft at six they're talking fifth to six -- while I'm already -- the Brazilian Darrow in a year in bears organization and describe your locker like like what I mean I. I hate to tell you buck I watch TV every night. Go check apparently is embarrassed the organization accordingly I was like yeah finally admitted it -- ESP myself but he can -- so you know first I don't know meant he could further embarrassed organization I I did -- wrong when you say it is no -- there is the cost. It's one point 29 million dollars to a guy that's that's money going to talk about cost on different levels still when your -- the -- if you if.

You would -- and then give -- extremely simplistic point if you sign a player. And again -- I'm just if you sign a player that's a known alcohol he'd he'd drive drunk every single night and you signed that player. You say well you know what we're -- Simon with and any result until someone well that's going to that that's on your shoulders that's on you. So it's not the money.

Let me ask you this question because your baseball -- Boston Red Sox made a deal might do one of the greatest steals ever pulled off Jason Varitek and Derek will come for Heath cliff usual welcome okay. That deal was made and that and Seattle did not want to give up Derek -- but they had to give up Derek -- because they were facing. -- muddied publicity out there in king county is it definitely feels like Derek with -- pierce coming into FL thinking but -- he was he was he was he went into court in king county it was thinking count what happened Tacoma which is -- I tell you that's where they've been that's -- happen. Derek -- Got hit for good -- and the wrong set words dynasty and domestic I was struck by strep yes okay. They got bad publicity out here and head on loan move to the Red Sox shy away from taking him in no wise up.

You're asking me to defender reported doctors they thought he could pitch right and again they're not -- my PR there resident there is a thing it's what we do agree with this it's almost like new acquire a player. It's -- you get an option when a guy's out of options did you get him now you have an artist and every guy who's had domestic violence thing. When he has the deal with that on his own team for some reason when the player goes to a new team he gets that they tell the guy discuss it right off the bat in the -- it's done. Because the fans in the new city don't have an emotional attachment to the story because it's not their story see I think we're being very selective about this stuff no I'm not easily though of course not that's always second news and we don't know until royal we awhile and yes should sort. Why would the Red Sox. Based on the history of clay Buchholz why did they draft them. Because -- the he was a pretty good pitcher and but there were worth there's some serious star.

I'm talk about that welcome -- hold on rested for marijuana right correct. Arrested for -- breaking mentoring him. And steal it was a 26 or 2720 of them from may middle school right that is taking away his mom or my school system where -- mom -- out of the school system. If any any wasn't just like the guy in the backseat either correct in another -- political progress okay it's on his record -- they police record right now. Okay do we hear anybody ever talk about now again -- put my in the same -- as pack -- don't know what I'm. Well that's what discipline yeah apples and oranges yeah. Apples and oranges he was found guilty I don't -- to be found guilty but -- to glance at the same as plead guilty for mother I'm not sitting here telling you the clay Buchholz is a bad guy. What are saying to you is he made a mistake. It was a pretty big mistake glad we have this happens only tennis is played this happens I really can't believe it territory -- last year -- the top news stories on TV here a -- that -- college bowl -- how did you know what I think does government I don't -- multiple shooting today and allegedly -- with guys who abortion people combined what multiple shootings. You don't know he's a -- people who when it was a bad thing outlaw all look it was a step -- first is don't really right Torre doesn't want to -- and doing my job like did you say buckles it was a mistake after a rally anybody shot at going to.

A serious mistake -- air every crime is the mistaken when you get caught that's my attitude the puck that the one of sync so that say do you his. That we let it happen in certain individuals and we dismissal while I don't know what the other so I don't know which we talking about because again from where I sit. If you were not in jail if you want on the street and you have a piece of -- decision over right to Warrick. That a team a company has -- right totally agree with. Totally agree that way you're always totally agree with I don't want to cherry pick totally I would like this guy now I don't like that is one of however what I dug the important point -- It is part everywhere. TC makes an excellent point it's wouldn't you say. There's a cost involved with the cost of the doesn't work out it's I don't measured in dollars and cents it's not there -- two million -- one point six there. They could be out there reputation their Goodwill and they Tuesday I mean I that there really get notes you know great publicity here over the last few months. On the ballot to patriots didn't publicity but not only did the they get the -- wall stuff also suffered its -- think I hate to tell you but there's a feeding frenzy going on right now we don't get off to belichick's platform -- I don't make a point -- simply degrees and improved -- like a platform goes with the women are.

I expect a previous Wednesday yeah -- your right to know your value you are right that that's the one thing -- on the patriots but I -- the most concerned about. Can we take this PR hit because this will be a PR hit but also about the value this universe is a super show where ballad. We're bored with plays that -- generally what are your channeling that ever started out since wears on it's not. My little strings telling -- the I have no idea whether the registered -- not. The question -- really -- like -- series I -- that -- I don't I don't know why these shows so like -- I swear to god -- Bible but I don't know whether they have this gentleman I don't know what's so we look -- are you look at our club -- what do locker room at as sort of an organic thing it takes on -- personality he wears the Pacific -- tipping point. At what point do you have too many of these guys at what point does the trouble suddenly come smacked but I think into your -- I don't think and you can't get -- do we want that team I think yard T.

The personality of that team is so strong down there. That I believe if you look at the track record the Corey -- the Randy Moss I believe that those players will force him. To do to to buckle up I'll give you another -- with him. He's down to the last year of his contract he's only getting one point 29 million dollars makes okay he's going to resurrect his career does this all sounds familiar. When these guys report in those situations suddenly. They reform pretty quickly how much should your try to tell you he's a -- Scott is obviously some real issues that this guy still with he's a terrific football player on the football field. He can block we all agree were he I don't I give you credit for the way set it up it's it's it's brilliant in the sense. If you start saying my eighteen can't sign this guy because he's a bad guy. You're setting yourself up with somebody like you to point up with seven other guys who signed those guys. Those -- a -- point here that's -- point and they succeeded here so what's the send it away by all of Jordan didn't buy all reckoning. Corey Dillon I mean there is good. Little argues would meteor and whining and stuff like I don't read pro at times to go -- go read pros and cons of -- one yesterday just go read about Corey -- that book that I guarantee you read that at pac man's goal looked like -- scout compared to that it's unbelievable. Unbelievable but again they brought him in. They felt comfortable with a and I think the reason they brought him in. Is they felt comfortable because the personality the chemistry of this team is already been established and guess what if he doesn't work out two weeks later they cut his ass and he's not here. It's not what you sign anybody address -- I.

I don't find it interesting that that we somehow attached not smoke -- there are people who attached. Dear team has to be no moral barometer what's happening in the country and the same persons who would say you can't sign this guy because he's -- bag guy. Bingo on pay twelve bucks to go to a movie and is Robert Downey junior who's had all kinds of problems over the years starting in the movie this -- twelve though is correct and have a problem with that.

Right there is there is a disconnect and you by the DB Deke did you like that so much and when you went. Movie you know in the movie theater I agree that I critic I think work we can be hypocrites and on almost and one adult telling you about pac man Jones is the publicity that's out there. Mainly because the commissioner ended up suspending him for a year has done more damage. Then what the actual events have done to his life if you look at the actual events they're bad. But there -- pretty consistent what the other guys who would not suspended nor -- one Italy have done. They are they're consistent but his seem a lot worse because the commissioner has highlighted him. Specifically by suspending him for one year and that's warned that the commission was wrong doing. And I and I agree would you I I agree he has the right to work. And that's suspension is going to be over there's no question that it in my mind's going to be -- Why not bring him in here a few New England Patriots aren't a series it was so that I have no idea although then. Couple things -- his agent out their saying that the patriots are one of the teams' interest that nobody within the -- so there's a demand illnesses are probably that they are we put I think I think I take a chance I'd investigator -- a lot of work. I would keep them on a short strength so you can't even get up parking ticket.

In the city or you're right I agree I think the most fans the modern day 21 century sports fan is -- is nigh eve as stands in a different your. I think that you you don't have athletes as heroes anymore I think heroes I think athletes are looked upon as a containers. And you don't have the Joe DiMaggio poster we have better over your desk whatever. And say a prayer room every night and he's the mic and he's -- left I think deli there's still does not -- he -- him.

Well but have been good for you to go to the poster every event I -- violate what we Didier pains me to say it is. He looked good you know for life you know why -- you expecting him to looked so bad but his head was then yeah he didn't take this one what -- do you knew he was still -- Based on this swings themselves is too much is it pains minister you know he's still he did not embarrass -- about your game. And I finally gave him do you draw a crowd neck peels off I don't know it's -- you -- me -- right after the break we'll get to the four girls like you talk about sex once seventh. 779850 toll free 888525. 850 year old to make --