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Our good friend Kerry Bryne of Cold Hard Football Facts joins John and Gerry to talk some NFL
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Gentlemen I do an -- I think -- And he -- yeah I I -- and twenty but I think and the only person around here with the country is that they'll.
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Yeah like that -- christmas if they get to get that you know that that's seeded I got. Well principle the success by Brian Billick and wait to.
It's not christmas you can really -- you give us already. I like it I like it. Excellent I know the one of the things though that it's come on topic of conversation. Are around the patriots supposes supremacy about the NFL as the fact that. You know this is a team that for better for worse has had moments this season day's games. Plays that they struggle with running the football -- Laurence Maroney went a little bit further toward the -- that nit this past week all the we consider was the jets that were playing. However I'm wondering if maybe that the way of football has progressed over the course the last -- I don't know ten or fifteen years that. The the real threat of having a running game isn't somewhat overrated agree or disagree there.
Well I don't know -- it overrated negate the running game always been overrated. You look at all the great teams throughout history not -- all the way back from when you let acting statistic. 1940 the great teams with great -- team. Every single one of them you look at the 1972 dolphins -- undefeated dolphins don't have a great running game -- their average per capita that one of the best in history. He might have thought pitching up but the ride I think shredded cheese put happy you can look at anyone like that is great at this -- but it was a great running team. It last week when they want what -- straight titles and it is up to 67. I outlet that we can. I think at protect every day that he he looked really good athlete I've had that record other Napoli Italy and that they were great attitude. Great that it can -- in the NFL it took complete and utter admit that you need to establish the run.
And you know what it's it's repeated every year and you and I -- and some others tried to make the case that it's it's overrated it's amid. People still -- Last week -- it was kind of established and why why I you know I don't know -- this game thirteen and oh throwing the ball not effectively running you know rarely effectively running it and people still a sand. I really think there established and it's just like it is no plot involved -- just as cliche that it's viewed out of regular basis.
It is that you know what I I had this discussion now last week on on -- stage in the lowlands in the first caller caller upset that it got an idiot you have to establish so I'm. I want to play it doesn't matter how much did you put out of people they did hit it doesn't. We that I and hit why military doesn't matter. -- a great great running team. Historically great running -- average about five yards -- attempt. Running the ball and it historically poor -- he will average about. Re I mean ran into havoc but react pretend -- ball but it actually got different Bergkamp but you'll get addicted great -- The poor attitude a great attitude and averaged well over eight yards -- at teams -- average about forty yards per ten. But I'll the second -- bowl thirty terms of the game at the 120 for a bat at the team that would -- that -- you can just. It's it's such a much more differentiator between great yeah and running a -- well -- pretend that. Average this year is average every year you're always going to average we got protected subject got -- work that you've got a little better but it's not much distinction between equipment in the Pentagon.
You know all the great running backs were on if if not bad teams mediocre teams in -- look at. OJ Simpson Barry Sanders Eric Dickerson. Earl Campbell what what team has been one married to a Super Bowl title by a great running and.
Do you guys have a nobody let you read you the top five running teams of the typical wear that we did we based on average per attempt right -- that it just let the most. Clear indicator of success right number -- 97 alliance went nine and seven -- while background. But true that you. 2000 itself and let it happen but it would that and I never read it could happen to -- And the authorities in New Orleans and is it lost a lot of background. Number I think 1990 lines and -- and to not really stupid any. Look at the great cat continues it that simple bowl champion break on the list. 8949 it did what Dalton who. Who played in the -- the 66 act isn't everything related to when the ball but 99 grams -- over 72 undefeated dolphins. Ready great -- team we've achieved it is. -- legislative if you if you witnessed ever hear someone like a -- odds say you have to establish a run of the it was let's try to -- the data that we talked.
Now don't we do that anyway when Merrill -- stalks its.
You know we've got to win that we -- a story before the Steelers game. The way that different gonna win it to establish the path. They have to I'll -- patriot in what distilled to they update establish the run to help the patriots executed and run the ball still at an all over him. Tom Brady had averaged that would not yet pretends. Well the record even out of per -- Roethlisberger and even at a spot yet repetitive depicted one going to let it all look at in the NFL all the testing although quarterback -- At the very little to do with running because the difference is between a great running in the -- teams than it was.
All right -- from cold our football -- joining us here on Dennis and Callahan WEEI -- let me ask you this in particular because now that we sort of debunks the the great running game theory which of course I think. Plays a long ones with the patriots have been this year oh what do we discarding your research -- concerning compelling at. Great teams of their eras and -- I'm specifically going toward the -- seven patriots. Versus the 72 dolphins which of course is the team that the patriots could be getting ready to surpass record wise.
I specifically what would which -- in the way they run the ball just.
In the way that these two teams stylized coming based on what I've seen already that this would have open play do you think the guy -- think the patriots would score -- over 175 point -- right past two point.
Typically don't go back to give because. It's not as well noted what brought into the base although that we we identified is -- dead ball around a lot smaller football. It brought the seventies was the height of the dead ball where teams couldn't score that we anabolic. What's his body and -- that he changed all the holes open up passing game he thought scoring what dramatically after certainly gave him only gotten it but they got more dramatic in --
And that's why I believe -- that's why you have the thought process that you need the running game. To be a winning football team because of what happened back in the set the -- all.
But that they were well that would that Santiago I don't how do we -- get indicated it going to play you know -- vehicle we know we didn't -- up. What we measure them by team's depleted and we look at beautiful that they play you know and each team want to let you like double -- dolphins went fourteen but we touched on the border into the 19 and despite beat a stop them or what -- beat a single playoff team. -- they took a -- Ford division winner is already -- would probably buy into the and that you play -- the the Connecticut got it against the much much tougher competition in a relative sport magical about -- almost. Statistically exactly the same each served on where the points per game quite important aren't we wouldn't.
Is there any doubt in your mind carry that they go sixty you know and how much doubt is there that they go on nineteen and now.
I I want to got a perfect you know I don't I would be worried about it and I would be I mean that the team that. And lose.
But Jacksonville they were about checks and.
I think I -- and he is clearly the team that you vehemently and his team that took suspect. You know that's scare people but. But the good thing I think they've been very encouraging but the patriots -- shelled in the last we've seen in the last week. Every person that doesn't we read it is that team that. Might not have been the most talented team but what kind of got out a win one way or the other. And if he even though they clearly -- topic about it got out a -- mean you have to play the perfect you literally have to play a perfect game. To be depicted I don't think out of the due to come close but they made critical mistake and and the one thing we've -- doesn't doesn't make those.
I think do you think all that we are. The colts can do that in your opinion the colts can do that play the perfect game in Foxborough in January.
I think they can't whether -- like still cannot as a different having let's put that -- about it gambling man I would bet on them to do that -- you know that the patriots -- nineteen you know let you know it's NFL I mean we saw the you know legal dispute -- beat the patriots the ravens were awful what it is so seeing him --
About the cowboys in Glendale, Arizona.
That it would would -- him off the map of the united applied team that is so highly watching their decent stats are thinking it. Really thought -- to pick it up but what 277 in the second half on the road right the patriots will kill that team -- notable wired -- date has been days actually. Despite losing to -- today I was early this year that most fundamentally sound team on both sides all.
Interesting all right carry. Hum is something that we're missing about this patriots team that you know we we just. And I'm sure you probably and cover this in some form or fashion summit of the major team that really your estimation makes them -- makes them special makes them. Who they are what they are at this stage of the game that we just haven't really thought about.
What batting second thought we haven't thought about it -- wanted it where it is is they have probably the greatest quarterback of all I've been in that. The differentiate Hendry got to talking about earlier the people had already been up to the principle of himself and how he is. He is a great differentiator between the evident the other team they play -- just is that that good veteran sounded I think. Jerry you to -- that the actual that the appropriate word used to them. For him I want to make big -- I think. To get back the original -- but the running game. I people -- about the patriots running game they have a better running game and the colts I don't know -- the court and get criticized the same way. Did you -- or got to carry -- three point eight they could have rushed for more you I mean they they have been very serviceable decent average. I felt right given by the -- and definitely between the 2000 repeat it. Why would the worst one -- the worst ever running game by it Super Bowl champion ever three point four yet -- couldn't get out of the way on the ground. This particular -- more yards and fourteen games back 2000 preaching it all season.
You know this pick -- team actually is about to be the only second the second one in franchise history actually average over four yards per carry.
It really the -- second or -- none of the credit goes on and it -- correct -- 7878 was the facility it was -- now. Well that's -- Connecticut number two all time rushing right rest like 3000 they did ridiculous over but I don't have a very.
And for what -- groat a month for most.
RD run quite apparent that Hideki -- I'll -- it would at least they're.
Yeah novel that was I think was 78 a do you think. Brady gets the fifty passing touchdowns and if so this week or next.
Well -- dutifully carried out so alive. In the beginning to get through it or not touchdown passes of fifteen games in Toledo last.
So worried -- I think he took some -- tenacity and the game before giving way to. They got the greatest jobs fort Gordon. -- and but the he. He -- people that he did brothers 4090 that the fifteen games felt so everybody has this -- having an adult and elected into it again going to have an Astros. I but it would be you know it would mean it like Jerry would that would earlier -- you're the public style point. -- you wanted to dance we will win beautifully you really do and it would be that he can't he's very capable scored early. Five TD passes -- that it would be great to get that in. You know that see this next week -- you know what the -- and been all these other you know people NASCAR corporate you know limited in fifteen games about the aren't. So good that we can do it.
It was six against them last time in the mood in the seventh game of the season and Sunday -- weather channel says hi -- fifty. Fifty degrees.
I -- to bush album I would probably.
Shell ours is going to wash all the snow right I mean unfortunately it's gonna rain but fifty if there is just a light rain I think he could throw and he can do. I would not have -- like.
I I I -- I get a kick out of people worried about doing -- ability to passable in the ring. Maybe has them all the -- particular. Twice is that after the all that another team. It's still going to be president after the ball in the rain I mean it's I don't understand why people pay their own media it seemed that the played elements I don't I don't quite get that aren't that.
Let's suspend for style -- we want to place on the 100 style. But like you're I don't know suppose you could you could help me out here -- walker deserve the pro bowl over Braylon Edwards course.
Well I think it has been at one of the court performing as a leading up into that. Took the catches for the number one offense in history through to the legitimate argument you're making.
What brings -- this I'm a guy to like me I don't.
Did you know -- publishing. We have what we call we do it every year I asked not to team -- we don't get to where it's not all of the way we utility would say unjust situation. Pork butt out and we go to with the -- Who deserves through it is there's been a pro or cut this. Some bad it's not that -- has now won his. What great players your position and only get to go to the pro bowl but what we look at it got into the royally screwed guys who. Would definitely better than everyone else they're the pro -- at them.
With the Fred Taylor get royally snubbed.
I don't know I mean I don't I don't it is -- a lot of good plays that position and that's one of those areas where it. I beat Gaudio who really about you know what I mean.
Did Mario Williams could really snubbed.
I hockey might but I didn't look as an elder.
Only ten win teams and -- no one to approval often does that.
That's the team that really got screwed attitude that they botanists. And number wanted every defense. -- To middle linebacker you know I don't -- 48 cents on the best defense in the NFC. And these guys you know he belonged and but he's gotten to the single player of the local but -- the third best record in the city convicted of the Super --
Jerry I think for tells -- who were -- of horrible history disguised carried Jackson. I mean no guards played well big big game got a good attitude different no need to I don't assume accurate idea if you look at what -- get the lifetime achievement what he's never made the pro bowl and never made a pro bowl and blue and I -- not one for all the all over 10000 career apparently here right it certainly got -- London. Five yards a carry heartless. You averaged more yards per carry.
I I might be. Dejected look -- real interesting team and we actually applaud them to get little outlets that derided so. Outperformed Leftwich a lot of them and other previous package in on the field and he'd been brilliant and he is a difference that they were what in the making -- different matching. In between that and not get the same team. They're actually worse defensively this in the world that you know much better defensively they're different city got a quarterback who doesn't put all the way. And it deception better than you know eligible while waiting you'll lose games -- to pitch that -- right now the second lowest interception the in NFL history.
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