Curt Schilling

Good morning Curt Schilling this is very odd odd seeing curt Schilling's name on the call -- I'm going to hear your voice in my era in the second and I'm watching you want ESPN classic on a TV set in the young that the eleven year old Curt Schilling -- pretty good form as a young kid. -- well that's certainly. -- and we have -- that that was before is that Jews in right nobody parliament disappointment. -- A surprise is that would be too strong words.

I'll not know -- and more I'm not I'm not surprised anymore and I'm elated that not a might -- current teammate Tom. Was -- in the report I know there was obviously as they came out early yesterday morning so immediate thought was what is funny I guess and -- and some guys that I would have been just blown away by -- and disappointing morning. Pick -- I consider -- and myself. -- it really goes back then we discussed this earlier but this to me is very very black and white it is and it's and it's kind of like being pregnant you know we're just a little bit pregnant. You know -- eight if you look bigger names they're -- there's two ways to go about this you'll. Legally defend yourself and suited crap everybody involved and -- out or you don't.

I know it hurts you. You have your conflicted because you don't like Jose Canseco and yet Canseco seems proficient at it and it seems like. He's been right in in more often than he's been wrong --

I don't expect there and yeah I mean. You know here's what year is he the guy who you know and they beat -- sport good that's -- about -- jury did because to beat people up just -- too ahead but -- I mean he's not some noble gallant -- serving the greater good explode like has been about doing what's best for Jose Canseco period. But his whole career four crap like everybody about what he is political career it was a fraud in interdicting on the field and medically based on naturally. But but you get beat beat what he had to go doing it going to end up being good for the sport just ask bill he's going to remain you know players like respect -- I think somebody and being a person -- on the carpet here. You know look at that if you have. I'm hoping that your but it very -- looking has been assembled in that Rogers who and everybody sort of that I -- eight number market on bombed a little bit about the fact that that. --

Current interest didn't in your opinion on this that struck me as I'm watching and listening to all the shift -- Mitchell and Selig took great pains time and time again. To Celtic the Mark McGwire approach and said was that would want to deal with what's so much in the past at this point the should be jumping off point where we go forward and backwards and -- I -- that with outing it should be and forward looking venture at this point but what strikes me on the heels of them saying this time and time again. None of the current stars of Major League Baseball that are viable to date tomorrow and a few years from now the ones who will hopefully carry this game back to a level playing field. Were named in this thing and and --

I think both bonds and I think that was it doesn't explicitly explain the reason why isn't there there's two things -- number one it was a little medical record that there was a widespread shift in in the use of performance enhancing drugs away from the oil base stuff like steroid run to the -- and it's DH which is and you -- time and time again yesterday multiple. What people say there is no well. The fighting -- and human being built and I think I could be wrong on the facts about this but the that the cubs could get up -- DH if there's a blood test a quality and the box cutter he popped the test six times the normal human limit of under 66 to be guilty. Which basically means you're going to be injecting horse. Crappy system they project I mean I don't -- have to find the drug of choice nowadays you pitched here.

I think the olympics does -- out of there is what no bloody as ever this I don't I don't believe anybody has ever. And caught with -- GH to a blood urine or any other kind of test.

There is no scientific tests and -- the big argument they came -- after the congressional hearings -- and they -- to. Patriots want appreciates to a -- that anybody with any semblance of sanity a lot would subject -- union members total.

Which is which is why they go to these wellness clinics and -- I don't and I like George Mitchell and baseball caught a break when you get these corrupt dentists of these on the correct pharmacies.

It's also why there was over a couple times yesterday it was labor equipment -- to catch people cheating is being used don't want fortunate not drug testing. -- better figure it does sound bite people because I don't imagine as a billion how let's go find out. Legitimate HGH in the world there's a lot of among shorter but you know that there are out of that contracting people I was going to be a whole lot easier than using it in a test that does not exist.

Cardiff we agreed that what we read and heard yesterday is accurate and true. Do you differentiate between your opinion now a petit who is allegedly only on H TH versus Clement who was on steroids.

Now know -- I -- you know it again and we talked about as good -- is going to come down to your personal opinion of people. You know I -- I don't I won't like Andy Pettitte in the last because you know my -- my respect trying to -- there's a lot of stuff that I respected or off the field area like I said something yesterday in my blog you know this is the this is Camille a lot of guys making mistakes and people like no mistake is something that happened actually you know out there everybody that this is a lot of people make a lot of mistakes with what that -- can't make you can't just decisions you can ignore it there was they've figured -- the only extra inning it's -- the big picture thing for me here does this is this -- Not just against people policy beat you break the law that is of -- audience then that hasn't played that. It is criticized joke slip up the street you go to jail. And you know we kind of play that game a monopoly you know what we get the past golf think what you want -- even when we do things that are against the law. So you know there's a lot of protection for all the other people don't enjoy and doesn't exist so I hope you know I don't question for a second. That -- Syracuse -- down dramatically in baseball.

I mean it's it's a pretty amend that number jumped off the page to me last year during testing in 7 -- to. Out of every player in the major leagues two guys tested positive for steroids.

You know and the other something -- for. Another of their a lot of guys and myself included who slept pretty good luck couple weeks the couple months you know and I think -- to make -- as big a period of everything there's -- Whole lot more guys doing it right in doing it wrong. And Ethiopia you know as a as a competitor the one thing I can't help but think is a different or -- it at all different my career numbers would be. If I was quite get a level playing field in and then and error that was already offensive particular I am pretty though that a lot of the guys aren't on. But everybody that's been named as -- something against me in the.

How much better would you numbers the if you were announced that given to -- credit he didn't say it that way he's at how how much better about numbers be if they were on steroids he didn't take the other approach the the pro active approach and say how much better -- I've been -- I've been doing the Jews.

Never it never crossed my mind to go to our -- in the last two years I certainly eight minutes in the -- Without from all the stuff by the comeback from that bell you know there was opportunity afforded -- good to go on HD expect it to beat people that it could make that out. -- then I'd never thought about the pilot and second for a lot of reasons nothing to do with baseball but -- I could certainly understand the angle. That some players are going to use you know the only thing that really jumped off the -- admitted that made me feel horrible Brian Roberts vertical -- I 88 this see your name -- report given. But three of four lines. So coming his name -- basically so -- create hoping he did yeah. That public it appears he is a record as guilty of everybody else not report due out that BM off but it but it can't figure in. There's there's no I don't think anybody is looking at any more -- ripped -- not. That's not an albatross I don't you know -- we -- about that is all about it -- small public feud that might be. It's 100% guaranteed everybody pitted I don't think so I also don't think that -- wanted to go to guys caught actually did that well. So you know I would imagine there's there's trying to -- want to believe that popular elsewhere we -- on the about it yeah I'd whatever and then. Awful that didn't happen here indicate that the -- gas.

Baker are revelation and and this probably pays in the corner of -- even and you've been around it -- for the lineup for many many years. Is that I I I used to take the approach that management general managers in particular -- turned a blind die you know understood rumors all those kinds of things get still acquired up players that they suspected rotted. We find out that it -- the separately advocates of the Boston Red Sox on two occasions that not only did you. I suspect that somebody you were thinking about acquiring was on steroids it was confirmed -- you it was told you by a scout it was told you that. You know there were never things wrong with this deal but the least of which worked his steroid use.

And -- brought about anyway no -- was that I don't read what do you.

Which -- though if you recall those those excerpt from both of those not a lot of those what is we offer practiced -- you know I think it felt very strongly that that they had. And better at minute like. I think it's expected that there are going to be into the big league it's going to be only -- operating without while the guys the -- spirit you collect our thoughts and point it's about that. Absolutely -- everybody's a everybody's got an uneven playing field. I'm not going to allow ourselves to get cheated out of potentially vital the World Series because we want to beat -- just. And you know I don't I don't even with the appearing at a corner you know oh this is absorbing the blame there are giving up like of people that mentioned -- a -- different. Cute and give -- to blame but want to should be accountable and Theo. We -- there are some culpability I think probably do it well but ultimately it's all about the players in the -- making stupid idiotic choices and society can -- But along the part.

Mitchell recommends no penalties for the players named Selig would not agree -- that at least initially he wants to leave his options open I think he's going to spend a couple guys including. Lo Duca. And guys who kind of encouraged others are brought others into this dark side what do you think do you think you'll be suspension should be suspect.

Well I hope they do suspend people that we up like I mean I -- I don't I don't know I don't know I. I think there's there's been an argument for that moving forward think end and you know. I'm like both thought of of mentally baseball hiring an independent investigative group of well people. Dispute this and be able to pick O'Leary and -- trust people and look for four users based on probable cause. Bottom albeit you know. I don't know I don't know that going back and retro utley -- people would do -- electric. The people don't want -- remains up there yesterday our members of the media -- because. Ultimately this group of what's happened it's happened there's nothing that can be done in other note the fact that matters political trend in a very old team it'll might we could undermine it -- I -- because of a part of by the different part of his downfall beyond I think the bigger picture people wondered getting. Hopefully -- in the satellites in the back is there are hundreds of thousands of kids. I think this is the way to go. When you when you picked up but the two greatest players of our generation -- the greatest hitter and pitcher liberalism. Are potentially the poster boy for cheating it's all horrible horrible cussing but it -- today -- not.

It's a powerful message is not.

They're oh incredibly powerful enough -- to -- six. Good audibly -- and he might be a run and a guy that -- incredibly Koppen and begin what.

final question for me you know you've said that that the guys who cheated the guys who chose this way are to blame and that's that's to be sure. But but I wonder to what extent if the clean guys scream bloody murder to Donald fehr and the union if you and Glavine and Jeter and Santana anybody else who would put -- upper echelon of big stars screamed your guts out that you needed to do more to clean this up what we'd be here today.

You know don't think for a second that don't love very content just meetings with players association members -- those things were -- And actually made those and many other players have been. The only making those comments from many many years I think definitely want you have a collective bargaining agreement the cut reopened multiple -- change a drug testing policy that we had no obligation to do. That would that would be out of a lot of players myself included. And the other matters like that we went could cute little. Yeah started last week or last year if you compute an -- you do that you can -- nothing that changed what we could talk about. The factored in that produces gone down immensely since the testing. Program has changed at altitude and -- that you still cannot count reached CA. And so what we changed what what can we scream it -- about that would change this scenario in the situation -- now. The bottom once we knew who. -- that we believe we just the players were doing it outside of the going to support it. So people injecting each other orange that the other players on the game. Everything else was total conjecture and and hypothesis. I'd never seen what are. Injured himself with. Performance enhancing drugs and that got them I'd -- that. I mean I don't put what I did appear to I don't I could tell it accurately that -- I would guarantee you. I mean crap though that's what they can beat him in -- dangerous ground to walk the.

I'm not suggesting you duty to Oregon should teammates August suggesting if I knew and I know a lot of playing level playing field a pitching against you know three guys a week or three guys a game that I know or on the Jews I scream bloody murder and I tell who I considered beat. My -- on the boss of the union I'd Donald fears boss and I thought. Back off let Major League Baseball test their ass off if they want to steroids out of the game.

But that got you got that and you know -- got -- and was out in the and that's why that particular case I hope you respect and we know out there's no possible way. Do you not distrust between the players and the owners that you a couple of the players and you know what they are a -- watched it doesn't work wage Mitchell will support that weight based. He'll be a player weapon being in negotiations -- know -- there's an immense amount of distrust because you're talking about a group of people. Well while there's a lot of great -- resulted -- a lot from the reform. And that are that are that are businessmen and their their better as much of a -- as the next guy so I'm not going to end. The future love of the sport and its integrity that people don't trust. And so you -- popular that's one of the reasons like monopoly because -- the fact that you're not going to loud and give a -- a group of people to pass for something that is unpredictable. Because I know what I ate this appeal custom sport. And and a -- kind of leaving yourself open to the mercy of the court and -- not a sport that we were folk who was barely. And it it might even be unfairly and it to the players to and it's given the power of the union but I think we're quite -- and beat Indianapolis but along with the dollars okay you know what this is put in stupid -- got to figure out away. To make this change and make up enough.

Well there's there's a lot less trust today would you agree than yesterday.

I don't know. I don't know I think I -- have that Chet Blaylock I can't imagine there's any more distrust now than there has been the past.

we know. You were surprised by some of the names not surprised by others were you surprised by any names that weren't on the list.

Click here but I think if you read a report you'll -- I think there's -- where there's. And the fifteen players as part of an investigation that that is names were not included. Because of the border view source or some other material I would assume that there isn't bad but on the Balco investigation all the stuff coming out as well as some of the other things that are ongoing disallowed -- from being included I I think at the end of the day everybody named it should be up there is going to get up there one where -- I think you're. A lot of people -- reaching for the Oprah moment. And they're -- they're they're going to beat they're going to turn six witnessed the DL and could be a very strong point -- an appointment last night bite senator Mitchell deflected goat were not he had absolutely every reason not to lie. Because he was given a bit in the league -- it potentially make it promised sentencing was toppled -- peak -- even want. It is testimony. And so you know I -- work it -- people are understanding the fact that -- you know there's nobody I don't know about Matt premiere whatever his name is on the with the circumstances fourth truckers is testimony that. You know I didn't but he again I think I'm I'm I'm a baseball fan support as a player I'm disappointed that I'm opened things will change and will move from.

Card given all of this do you think there will be an idiot or two or several idiots that show opened spring training still on the juice this year.

Well I yell c'mon I mean nervous baseball there's electrical and society there's. You development on the street with stupid people at the next athletic ability doesn't exclude you from intelligent Turk order including how to beat people little -- to make mistakes.

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