Scott Pioli, Patriots & Mark Shapiro, Indians

Just couple minutes we'll connect up with -- Parra the general manager of the Cleveland Indians has been since 2001. And Scott the only the Vice President of player personnel for the New England Patriots both good friends both have done. Really could -- At their respective positions with -- respective teams. Sure pyro with -- which is a 62 million -- like that dollar pay 61 has got his team fighting for an American league championship beginning tonight at Fenway Park and the only as we all know. One of the architects of a three time Super Bowl championship team down to -- Probably in in some regards I don't think gets as much credit as does not my that there I mean it always is bill ballot check who put team together.

I think about every just common sense would tell you that he has a huge role and who the patriots are today if you gotta give bill ballots -- credit for going through all the resources than looking at all the information to get this team prepared on a week to week basis you also can't give them credit. For going to -- college PA and of course Columbus, Ohio. And in Los Angeles for the us for the college players out there that's got them all in person can't -- focus on the on the game plan can't be focused on college at the same time so that's where he only comes in.

The only an -- and a very very good amateur scouting staff obviously who were out beat the bushes all fall tour and thorough yet but I and that type thing -- more about the draft and that bright you know guys who were at their beat in the bushes and and scouting players. When you know that that bill ballot check. And he has his professional staff for just a little tied up. And they don't have time Lisa you know perhaps Scott combined -- become take a look at this tackle I was looking at a Mississippi State last week.

I mean obviously if they do but. But those of the guys that mean he only has department there the ones out there. You know seen these guys in person I mean that they -- keep politics -- went through scouting he dusty coaching in those world don't intersect. He knows about some of the players that they're looking at them in the first inning but once identify the players in the first.

Well it's it's such unique relationship to when you consider you've got two guys who you know as a -- pirates said in the paper today you know we're talking about team building when the most. The most arduous decision they had to make was what's -- paper to load into the Xerox machine which gives you an idea of where they were in the pecking order when they began their careers and I think that's the interest in part that these two guys in different sports. Have have taken those abilities and moved on with a men and really risen to the very tops of their --

Actions of team building is very important comes from the cup and -- it yeah I have a certain guy. Who's going to load the 11 by 17 paper you have somebody who's in charge of -- eight by 11 -- to push the button. Your quarterback what does that but.

While we get marks a pyro on the other line right now let's bring India Vice President of player personnel for the New England Patriots got the only hello Scott. You do today and -- Aubrayo Howard.

You thought I was letters Sizemore was legal -- let's let's. Lead I was just Armas state's school guys so while we won't letters Sizemore beat protesting guide you he wanted to see more important that's got to go lethal.

I am back in those days that he kind of joked about what you were trying to decide what size paper reload in -- times I think. Did you think this is where you guys would end up

I don't think either one it was suited me I think we hoped about that you know things but we we certainly a topic if you want to. -- you you know what that speed electors so busy. Just taking care task and doing your job and trying to learn it. A you don't want to was respectable on time dreaming about where -- some.

So let me ask you -- which.

They keep it if this is after 1135 hours beyond record.

Time out of -- out of asked what my next question what it was more punctual and it's thought.

I mean this is so typical him you know it's -- won't go out to dinner I'm always wait on him it -- some believe.

You'd think he had like -- game that mattered tonight or something.

Budget but important that's usually the -- W a beautiful that was 29 as some sort of appointment as the exodus is could this could be visible on the on the record for the so it's.

I think he is out there in front of all of New England. Late supposedly he's known about this for a couple of days at a busy schedule to -- But he has games. Now would you -- game tonight yes so yes well do you know I'm going to last year you going to wrote for.

Boat is it is it. I'm going up early to actually did well I don't think people realize some different field was well I met peeled back when he was with the Indians organization appears -- Mark Tuesday and I don't know. Obviously it is I don't cheer for teams you know a more. I'm more concerned about relationships with people both more computer were really close friends and you know what I told that to that was in -- I'm cheering for whoever gets me batters seat belt that Tito opened up with one box -- passable on paper but quite to that. He -- across to. And then -- right you don't sit right next to him but built vetoed it he gets in the dugout Red Sox -- So right now and it -- people bumped up by -- parking spot in the this sport all the out the parking lot and so obviously prohibits them by atomic get their I don't know what your.

Well let's find out joining us on the other line the general manager of the Cleveland Indians marks a -- can you top that offer Mark.

Or -- you're trouble I think it goes back 15 years kidnapped dot. That --

You know at. Mark what we're trying to figure out this is why would you lately Scott was calling you out he said you know he's here he shows up on time what would you have gone it's not.

You guys you missed my AM much intrigue given night he gave out DSL or not -- but I -- half that amount.

That's an executive throw an underling under the box know what Mark does that make -- as well I don't let that went with the patriots. Mark we were talking with Scott about a baseball game you've got going tonight back in those days -- Scott -- deciding what size paper alone in -- is this what you ultimately thought you'd get to playing your team playing for an American league championship.

Well I think we we talked a lot about building teams in systems and what our beliefs were and -- know listing but each other that point if you visualize doing it I think either one of us. You know kind of put the -- it up there aren't issues personal ambition but you know I think what we ultimately -- do. What Scott provided me with inspiration or is that winning championships is great. There'll always do that but winning with people you believe it. Both as people and as players that's -- it's all about that yelled -- the element against god gave me tangible evidence that. To work off of -- time here and you know hopefully he can take some satisfaction knowing we don't want -- which in the bag -- to -- get this year.

Now's got all of these guys only two other.

Could -- cold 15 years clippers' go to Cleveland it was 1992 mutual friend introduced more -- and you know -- a big baseball fan -- big football fans and we try to hit it off of me you know more more -- college football. We hit -- awful we first met and it's -- would both have respect for the business at the other those and Tom. From that -- it became more but he. If it was a which started off professional became much more personal overtime it's it's yet -- 15 years now.

That president it's friendship first in but it is in. In this these -- to work here there are a lot of people that didn't know we do there a lot of people can follow what we do would result in the paper but there -- few people we know we feel and if Scott nine note that deal in the heart that feeling in the gut you know we don't beat good in the band. Most think become with it and we can talk to each other like even you are -- camps for that matter so it's city you know it is very it to be a cheap that wouldn't -- the context of -- jobs but it only raised earlier by the only church well. Yeah at -- back.

More to time also when you don't you have to make all the changes and that organization and you had to strip down on the roster you have to use the trades made it stripped -- roster and Mark had a vision -- talked about division it was things that we talked about back in 1992 things that we believed in. And and and -- that we had at that that were enhanced. And I -- the conversations. You know with market Marcus -- I just hope that they give me time they need to be patient they they need to understand and know what I'm doing it and what's happened now you know knows. Those beliefs that they've they've manifest themselves in to this this pretty special teams that go.

Scott are beverages at one time it. You know so accurate state school guy and you phrase it one way it marked the prince the guy would phrase -- a different way but you guys -- actually have in the same conversation.

Absolutely absolutely think that the core it didn't. Markets experienced and dynamic our relationship you know. Bork's -- background my background we have similar -- the world we share. Core values and core beliefs about about white about people about family and it's adjusting. We come from different different backgrounds yet we believe. Many of the same things we just articulate things differently sometimes in it is very it is that it was dynamic relationship.

When idea when I'm -- patriots games long before the game starts -- Scott wandering around the field the other night in New York the camera which shows several cut -- Mark abuse sitting there. Is there are certain. Helpless feeling you guys kept. I mean you can't do one thing in my senior year the team is there you can't go make a trade to help out is there a certain I wish I could do more right now to help this game.

Well from -- our history four hours and -- day you know the harder to -- two guys play in. And he -- expect actually take it to another level they're in the playoffs so you know you're right at me you know you worked so hard -- so much bested. A blood sweat hours you know -- of your life. Into what happened and you know which is doubtful on the field and I believe got try to talk myself and you have to use or sports psychologist or not I don't and aid to keep my high in the moment -- cannot -- head -- and not that's networks and might I established pretty much in -- from the in the -- against argent. And I don't relax or waiting until that that -- absolute final out is retired.

Yeah I and I think this year beings anxiety during the game however I think both more honest it was same way that it's not I would call -- which helplessness because you were involved in the decision making. Process and so what part of the the process that has brought us to that game and that moment where I think we're we're so comfortable with what we've done and we both have an understanding okay. We don't know what we can do -- the people -- that are empowered to make the decisions and then also you do all the plays or make the plays that it I don't I am not sure of -- residents -- was this visit because I think more on no market competent the people that are placed his organization the players the coaches in the manager and is similar -- here where you know that people want their teams starts there's there's a feeling of confidence that -- you know. That no one has a better chance that counts.

Right which and that you know -- conversation -- having parts of the hafner signing him some of the individual players talked about that that you were -- were going to you know believe in the program believed so much that they would be willing to it to stay in Cleveland and and believe in the overall team environment in which the team -- situation that we had here but we've had players that have you know there's there's the potential would have to do something differently somewhere else and our role those conversations that you've had a public -- could -- after -- break right and you -- that you have a lot invested most people think that there probably which they'll.

I want to take everybody back to February 2002 patriots upset that rams great day. The only is walking back on to the hotel with his -- Dallas gets a phone call from a -- a pyro.

The game you have a good that we don't yield on the field. -- dollars and I -- two words or just got to understand.

got did you return the favor at any time during the Yankees series and I'll call protect Mark would you know.

Dictate -- doubt about it. Me know what I'm you know I have been able remarks he dresses impeccably -- economic belt that I'd -- The only tech has centered in the play off. Player of the FedEx or which would during the the game against the Yankees with. With all the boats which play again that the brilliance of the union organizations. They they trying to that and those of you know Red Sox organization. Actually spent time -- treatment certainly understand the book elect governor the union did that intentionally just to -- be prepared for it didn't like it.

Actually that that we Eddie Johnny girls got a group of other people watch gathered on instructional league area and that they sent -- some text message like city slickers can't take -- yeah. That's -- where David and undoubtedly the best comeback in years I stole a rock and by the musical laugh. Well in the game where there weren't army he anxiety spring.

There comes a time when you have to make -- moving your respective jobs that probably isn't going to sell well with your with your fan base. Theo talked about what he felt like when he traded Nomar Garciaparra way I don't know all the Roberto Alomar deal for you Mark was like batter or -- that the releasing a lawyer Malloy for use Scott. Did you guys ever get together and say man what's it going to be like when I do this -- I hit what do why say when I do something that's not going to sit well.

battle line it is the opposite of benefit to have that there reality of our market Diaw has a couple of the -- you -- and you. You know I stopped idle talk about those as much I think we both know that the top decisions are part of -- job you know we -- talk about the importance of communication importance is usually our plan internal and -- consistent basis understanding you know not let the not to let the emotions not -- use of the external opinions in -- plan ultimately were trying to do everything we do for the fans at Indian they'll be happy and and the most important thing is not to worry about -- that spectre that approval along the way it is what you right. -- out on the way.

Right making those decisions understanding that there are tough emotionally for everybody involved and like sports that making sure that the communication. It's the most important lot of communication during -- like that when you make decisions like that -- between the organization in the individual player. And university support I've talked about you just making sure that pitchers odds with the players you can be the -- No relates to know enjoyed it the players it. The players not only. Is uncomfortable with it it sometimes gets upset but sometimes we it's the reality sports states sometimes you have to make decisions that. We don't necessarily feel good about -- human beings. But they have to -- if it was in the best interest -- public -- says there's a lot of people that the that are being invested in the club outs fortunes and in the club's future whether it's its ownership it's the other players that there -- a lot of people whose job at you know speaking good so around the city.

Scott after you guys won that first Super -- Mark asked you this. Talked to his team I think it was during spring training what was that like for use got in and Mark what was the only message to the team.

The Jews -- for what is it like a very emotional let that's what I remember. It was my first -- most important thing he says is that the court everything we've done here today you know VS gotten that wrong company you have played all star game and you know a bunch guys it is is coaches and players and agents or make experts. -- took the -- guys might have expected on the room and I mean you also won the World Series they've all star he won -- world -- I think Eddie Murray was the only guy to on both sit you know which was more. Which which was you know better accomplishment Eddie said. Hands down you know the World Series victory is better than any individual that was kind of -- going -- that was the year after you know the patriots -- announced as a team which gave -- responses that individual and and view that the -- basically the Indians -- where we -- to -- any individual -- world where we -- stated that he plays -- respect each -- team -- network needs because we don't depend on any one -- any given -- guy we have different guys step forward each night and they -- each other -- each -- in you know -- We fight and they're tough they don't even about it and it's just that -- is -- four games snowed out start the year -- played -- home series in Milwaukee. I had to make up those teams they want on the road in 43 days in row almost things are -- in aggregate and and that that to deport every. The patriots are all about that toughness and that team approach that that was course that's -- that.

Scott you said you're emotional life.

You have because it you know it was the worst I had one. The range and you know outside of the ceremony and it was just it was an emotional time because it it was a time of reflection -- February at the video was well you know. And when the video ended it was the first time that I had looked at -- reflected upon at all what it. Have been and part of the intensity the moment in the emotion the moment was out riveted the players word -- in the players now you know in the locker room. Just really had a look on their faces and try to explain to them and just seeing it was genuine. Passion and in a desires there rise as well because they wanted to hear the message and they want to understand that they wanted to it was just it is confluence of emotion it was a it was pretty. Powerful really --

Final question before we let you guys go and I am I'm always curious about the relationship between the general manager or -- plus present and player personnel and the coach for the manager and how essential it is that that be almost seamless Scott I know bill has talked in the past but you guys almost thinking as one. And marked the UN Eric have that yet.

You'll -- and I really do we are -- they -- moral partnership I just think we have to both be bested it in what we're doing now which -- differences in football baseball very different in the head coach is Roman and roll the in the gate gate running organizations because the organization baseball is so much different. -- international -- operations but Eric -- just want to -- you managers all baseball -- take the -- understand that this -- to understand the big picture he's best in what we do I view him as a partner you know he has someone I respect immensely in his friend in your elbow -- in this thing you know -- other -- not identical -- relationship is well -- but ours is atypical in baseball. I think yeah right now wanted to want to -- I do and I think it's of -- I've gotten that differentiate the patriots and really Scott bill where professional sports in. Egos are pervasive and credit leaking one being hit it enabled the patriots want Manny it's -- then sustained a chipped to level play. Is that there is no competing egos and there is no desire credit. And that is extremely rare guys you can't imagine how rare that it there's no wasted energy there Eric and I share that same thing I don't need -- want to spend any. The energy don't worry about who's getting it -- it.

And Mark that's where I would say that we in the relationship so the leadership group as we all their report and and there is genuine. Partnership you know you're the patriots that it is directories to be and when you put it meant added element of -- personal trust with in the work place there's which more -- as with what you guys you know I have with bill. When -- went to genuine and true partnership that has added the additional personal element. It appears you working. -- like Marxist now looking for credit -- asking for credit he just wants you focused on the scene that you -- winning championships.

I doubt they'll -- with the final question about it won't work question when. But if this were Hollywood it would be like best friends. Who both have Oscars both of you guys have been honored recognized as executives of the year. What does that mean to you to.

Epic that we talked about that because -- Nicole market you know when he got that -- Albie particularly here eureka it because we feel the same way about it because we just happen to be in position where. People see where we are we know that people working we ought to people you'll every year -- two people were. World are under those people were with those. And -- to -- would -- be -- collective -- Number of people and things like that are and be. Sure would vote appreciated but it it's possible we focus on anything that really so how did. The most satisfying thing you know our business is winning championships whether the division championship or conference championships and oh the world -- should that's. That's where focused on here -- the markets to.

Hey Mark listen to this answer from Scott hey Scott what do you what the way between the Red Sox an idiot who's gonna win.

I know against Sanders TD here -- there. I'm close I'm going to hear -- all I want argue about game I.

I will say this Mark based on the latest offer from Tito Francona you might have to deliver a bag -- cash to Gillette stadium.

Afternoon or beg he'd completely out of that I get I guess fatigue -- Kiel is. It picked up leading to deliver any good got just leveraged.

the general manager of the Cleveland Indians Scott the only Vice President of player personnel for the New England Patriots guys thank you both very very much.

Dario and Michael thanks guys appreciate they'll be all right here. The guys later that is that marks a -- on Scott the only