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Right now as we do each and every week. We get the baseball scoop from our fox baseball insider Ken Rosenthal who was gracious enough to postpone his appearance from Tuesday. Until today and is it turns out a lot more stuff talk about day anyway -- and Dario you wrote about the Arizona Diamondbacks Chicago Cubs game last night and and you know I've we talked about this earlier practicing my remarks by saying. Carlos Marmol as a pretty darn good relief pitcher. Did -- make a mistake.

In respected it it's one of the post these things so where it could've gone either way and it really. Lead should've gone the other way it would almost getting 567 hitters instead giving up two runs. Italy -- two -- through -- one in. This guy's been the best relievers in the game and I understand what I was doing -- finished in the logic is he getting himself yeah. -- is planning to -- it as well but. I think sometimes the post it in the newspaper comments on the fox but we get so straightaway it. Guesses I think we beat Italy and it and it on the other way people have been great in stating zambrano so. It was the wrong turn out sort of that I would have done it that way I think that would have gone much like with zambrano has who's very good. But the same time. There's ample side.

okay there are a lot of great pitchers in the post season right now three of them. Are in one series in Cleveland between Carmona sabathia won while. But with all that said. Do you think Josh Beckett is the best big game pitcher in the post season right now.

Well yes he does it. It's remarkable change. Remember his previous post he was game six of the 2003 World Series with a -- about this before it shut out game. His performance let my wallet different pitcher than what -- and -- much more impressive. Has grown up considerably and -- mostly -- the picture on using his breaking stuff that are that. Do you think that was depleted lineup a lot to ourselves at the same time and that -- even at full strength maturity -- such.

In a -- that's what has been made before about Josh Beckett getting a contract extension last year when he wasn't pitching well. Do you think that. If your team you've got to 2526 year old pitcher and you think he's any good not necessarily an expertise that they give the good pitcher do you think it's advisable. Just a lock them up because pitching is so scarce good you have those are.

Like I do believe that and I think that was the -- not watch it. At what they think he was pitching well that he would turn out view is that these teams its time. In two years to a -- guy but of course someone who's young healthy. Ultimately be the guy help so I believe you have a pitcher of that caliber is that lot. As an example for a the Orioles Erik Bedard. Erik Bedard has two years -- to point B agent. I don't think it would be able -- A year ago they approached him because -- I'm not saying you know that but but stated with three years to really have a better chance. Especially before the -- team this year so. The team that idea by the proper -- team that can -- pitchers to deal that turn out to be very -- friendly as -- with it. I think those -- editor.

I believe it was somber Gucci who wrote this in the aftermath of the game last night -- if it was somebody else -- I apologize for not giving the proper credit the he basically talked about when the Red Sox went to Beckett with a three year 30 million dollar extension it was when he wasn't performing particularly well Larry Lucchino this morning talked about them showing faith in him and and and you know showing him that he was their guy for the long term. But you think about what he would get if he were to go on the market a year from now it's scary.

It is scary and I can -- about what -- yet it -- Ortiz and panic the people go out what they -- yet in my. Based on in the market. In recent years. Is it deal 152 Horry and I think both those guys they -- will get -- all of those you see. The advantage. Doing something pro actively instead of --

Kenny the last time we talked to you you're going to hear. Deeper analysis of cy young candidates so what did you find in that very detailed voluminous research.

It should be -- lie because he pitched 40 more -- in Josh Beckett in a lot of innings that. Consider the average start pitched seven innings -- about 67 innings and yet roughly the same year. And yet the thing I like about it and it seems strikeout walk ratio wood off the charts it was -- that. In the American league it was one of the best left hander quite some time. So -- all that together. I didn't vote -- I just had. All in particular case that most other categories. All that together and need that was convinced they are forced to bat the packet. It's very quote is that it is there of course he deserves but I just felt that it because it. Things I imagine and because of what he meant that he surged toward the end of the season I gave him the advantage over back.

Here's my prediction what a prediction. Closest cy young vote in history I don't know what the closest.

Eat and hate Michael if you look at it is -- three point 21 that we. It was part of it part of -- on base it. But he -- The 43 and it -- well. It is going to be tennis -- yeah. Frankly should be discussion to even well export Corey he would ERA -- yet. Pitched -- He is worthy of being.

What do counterargument to your point -- that if you pitched 40 more innings you should have more wins to.

We interdependent alien IP. On bullpen support run support and all of that so I don't necessarily put much -- In any case for Beckett at Eckstein. It would faze me one bit -- cat because. The reason he -- had 60 wins with in most like Josh Beckett. It would have been because of -- it score though. Most voters I think having that now one thing to church taught us is that certain statistics over rated. Went losses are for the most overrated for pitcher.

Given and and I don't disagree necessarily what you saying and and you bring me to my point about the Cleveland bullpen in particular. Is Joe Brodsky the worst closer left in the in the in baseball right.

if you could make that case and when it looked at that there. Indians series which toppled prediction fought through it really tried to -- one way or the other. Never coped with it. Because of my vision of over these standing on the mound in the ninth inning in game in the Yankees basically reading out. And I think that could be decisive series. See the Indians have great setup man as we all show up they'll reds' outfield that court but. Keep is we are very long what you want while I think a significant difference between two.

Yeah but of course and -- have a conversation about that saw the cy young award in the American league and two of the candidates are pitching against the Yankees. Shouldn't that by default -- make the Cleveland Indians the overwhelming favorites in the series.

And I think that is a great point if you look at all. Suppose the the one with the best 12 punch. From starting rotations and it's with question we've those two guys are legitimate that I can't. They are. Very capable of dominating game. It will look at post -- in an out is generally what looked looked for the Randy Johnson Curt Schilling combination. Arizona had to -- want. How ever even with all the fact -- topic is I think good enough to support what they have pitching. Perspective well it's an inning in the big into the back to junior camp in 2 want this morning -- So you think the likely in the series Michael but it ain't time to rest is that they like that.

Turning our attention a little more league wide in part necessarily American leaguer this playoff series something happened in baseball yesterday which just boggles my mind. Roughly 11 months after the St. Louis Cardinals when their first World Series championship since what 82 I think 11 months later. The owner of the team decides that Walt jock that he can no longer be the general manager of his team which by extension in my opinion means -- will crucible no longer be the manager of his team like. What that hell is bill the Whitman.

It is an -- might take them. There's a guy in the organization in saint Louis being kept. -- he's someone if this is background entrepreneurial background. He's very tight and he had the year of bill -- the.

A majority of people I was gonna say tell people when when Alou takes out.

Awaited episcopal yeah he trying to cart organization 2003. And it quickly rose through the ranks now has control oh outing. Player development department very usual those kind of separate state. And he is in -- Talk a question about that and it became a source of tension in that organization. To the point where it was very comfortable for a while he also was one of the lower KG. And I think we put it altogether his perspective there was one of frustration. I could net -- That's good question -- possibly you know comes -- background and he's a strong with what he's doing. And it -- is much more traditional so this came to a head. And -- deserves some blame for not incorporating you know better. But -- retreated command issues things were happening in baseball operations with out Japanese now. And situation became untenable. If you're asking me I think the question goes to the oh oh loud as apt. Out -- GM strong track record such respect in the industry becomes this that pushed it. And we'll see what they get out all turned out but I thought it was terrible in it was reported was that even need dysfunction used. McClain show and what's gone on in -- good news for the cup rest you know that's.

And the caveat to your mute your story is that in you mentioned the chaplain John joined the organization 2003. The party left that was that was his first year in major league base.

That's right that's his first Jimmy baseball he was not in baseball or that game with over the past several years -- note. There's been a great amount. The younger executives coming. Some had more background in baseball others some like -- started very well plate and in turn the Orioles of his. Just good enough he came in at a fairly high level and kept going up and I think in any of our profession when that happened we used it just basically -- of the world poverty you'll world. Suddenly be the that's something that's not that well especially when your -- your job and that's what happened.

So where's Tony Taylor is his next job.

sure I think obviously. He can work again wherever you want to work if you choose to -- there are many -- open. In court in and so it -- in Kansas City he's going to want to competitive club. What might happen if he is indeed create. At some quote might look at their own present managers. Day we get under the so where's the manager -- People were asked that question a question. These other teams perhaps as well so I think the most likely scenario if he does not return. Is that he will be read it I I went to upstart opened.

One team apparently will not be asking that question and that's the New York Mets. What did you think of that collapse I haven't seen anything like it in my lifetime.

It would be closes the 2004 -- really don't see anything at the -- in our generation. But it -- seem quite. But nobleman two in the deserves a good amount of blame for not putting together a good pitching. -- at all these last year I don't think there's any question about that at this point and I accountable for. I also think Willie Randolph down stretched did not show I felt the proper urgency. Of the time we CD players okay guys we gotta go in we -- game. The way he. Conducted himself. Didn't you edit but that was -- problem at that out at actions that the response. -- the players gain for whatever reason Jose resist -- into a pumpkin that. In the larger issue that he club out is that I don't think it's great. I think that the guise of bad guys because for the most part their -- but. You don't see -- in the club out. You see in for example with the Red Sox have an airplane I think he's the IO leader and someone. Get the job Donnie crunched my -- it's that'll be -- away even the young player at this. I write down a lot protester is on the -- It would that the question and I. Who would cement urged Chase Utley who was did you -- quit and -- There -- got some of the -- Beltran Delgado David Wright. -- me -- pretty -- really an issue.

Having said that I'm not sure it's actually mathematically possible to -- with Chase Utley did yesterday. You strike out four times in one game on 13 total pitches by now but at least get a few more pitches than utley.

That's true with the just think the -- is that the people elected today it out different pitcher grant park for our. He's -- trouble and they do any. And I can very easily the -- point oh and rampant back. Of course field and trying to gain out of the series but there aren't -- right and it was disturbing to go up and it is. Format usually they did yes.

Now freely admit I screwed up after watching the patriots Monday night and then switch him back to the baseball game. When when San Diego took a two run lead. To the bottom of the 13 inning and Trevor Hoffman coming out to the on ice and okay I go to bed now and I was wrong I screwed up. Having said that. Can we expect the Colorado Rockies realistically to be able to keep this up for another three weeks.

That's great question to -- game the other night spoke to baseball people the next morning both of them -- in the that are run out again not sustain emotional and I thought it up and certainly fair point fair question. But what you look at them make of their roster a lot of players won 26 age category. Other player between 30 category only two regulars over 30 LB Matt is 31 in -- is 34. This is not a team that's going to be physically the key point. I think it would have been -- he won the question ultimately becomes pitch well it on the usual question.

And the thing is can these are not your cousins. Colorado Rockies playing at home and watch in the balls -- or even though they can hit those outs and it's that dale earlier today. At citizens bank park become the new courts feel with a homer good.

A lot of respect in the think people realize about the rock. How well they pitched for the -- since the all star break get switched teams that the nationally in Europe it's -- rock. I pitched five and bought it we could have thought that either -- thought it was written one of their newspapers last.

But you can't tell us about the Milwaukee Brewers minor league system than anybody has ever in my life. Again we were talking not about one more time okay. -- pick up -- I do. I will be all over him next year you know but in front round but the best -- them will be my boy about -- that yeah. The 2007 you'll basically be my board.

Hey realistically can Clements having pitched as little as he's pitched in the last month. Can they expect him to be able to give them more than 45 innings in game three.

Which are better pitchers -- six innings in September 3 and by the way who was 45 years old. To me and I thought -- ever since Clemens came back in a right to blow open. That missed the Greek mythology -- flight to -- That's that this is who -- the arrogance they can do anything and I think there's certain element. To all of that it would Clement -- accomplish here and basically. Yankees -- hole and two in part because they get 20 dollars pro rated an apartment that is Roger Clemens. -- I always liked and people usually great thing but the real.

Yeah outside the box or outside the -- usually. When we don't licorice spread is very that we need to break. Snow won the logical figure that stand out I don't want to protect myself the order. Hearing about it and starts on opening standard intellectual you're now a minor league system of the deep -- Greek mythology but announcement during. -- just pretend Rosenthal -- hear a story right of course. --

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